I stopped doing these about 1.5 years ago, but recently have been listening to some new music I downloaded and wanted to alter them. I really enjoy doing that. This batch is all what I used to call "Those Lyrics," I explain that and some other stuff about the poems here. These are the first two, I've got about 5 others I'll post soon. but I want to post some of them now.
The rest of the songs/poems can be found by clicking on the "lyrics" label (there are at least four pages worth of posts, so click on the "older posts" at the bottom of the first page).
“Ireland II” based on “Deutschland” by No Remorse, original lyrics are here.
1. The troubles started in the late 1960s, depending on who you ask. Forty years is pretty close.
2. Volunteers are members of republican paramilitaries.
3. N. Ireland or The North, can also be referred to as the North-East of Ireland (geographically it’s fairly accurate).
4. I have a shirt that I used to wear about twice a month that says “FROM OUT OF THE ASHES AROSE THE PROVISIONALS.” The Provisionals were a large splinter from the IRA and SinnFein which shortly became the dominant part of the republican family and are now known simply as the IRA and Sinn Fein. The shirt refers to the mythical Phoenix. I believe the ashes refer to both the Phoenix and also the burned out homes in nationalist areas after the Aug. 1969 pogrom, an event which contributed to a large number of people leaving the main republican movement and starting or joining the Provisionals.
5. In fairness, as far as the laws governing N. Ireland go, there was some improvement around 1970, but the high levels of police and Army brutality and murder of Catholics went through the roof, among other problems- such as the widespread and largely sectarian use of internment without charge or trial.
6. I give this poem four stars out of five.
7. **82% of this version is me, 18% is the original.
8. I skipped the Chorus.
9. No Remorse was British and supported the British and Unionist causes in N. Ireland.
10. This is not meant as an endorsement of armed struggle since 1997.
11. The BA is the British Army.
12. About the IRA
13. UPDATED 2/5/16 Based on what might be called a fairly scientific look, only about .2% of the IRA's operations intentionally resulted in civilian death.
They fought a war, started 40 years in the past
Our respect for the Volunteers, it will always last
like the phoenix, in 1970 they rose from the ashes.
They fought the BA in thousands of clashes
They fought, an insurgent war in the north-east.
They fought and died against the British beast.
The nationalist community, wanted justice and equality
But, London started rounding up internees
*****
“Falite” based on “Welcome” by Bound for Glory, original lyrics are here.
1. “Falite” is Irish for welcome.
2. This is set in the early 1970s- about 2 years before Bloody Sunday, and then a bit after Bloody Sunday.
3. “those who are loyal” refers to loyalists/unionists- to one large degree or another, most/all of them are more or less anti-Catholics bigots (it kind of depends on exactly how you define “unionist/loyalist” and “sectarian”).
4. There were anti-Catholic pogroms in Belfast and and attempted pogrom in Derry in Aug. 1969, see this and this.
5. Belfast is the capital of N. Ireland.
6. Squaddie is a term for British soldiers.
7. The RUC were the police in N. Ireland between the statelet’s formation in the early 1920s and late 2001 when they were re-named the PSNI with some changes.
8. In the early 1970s there were relatively and completely non-violent marches; there was a lot of activity by republican paramilitaries, and there was a lot of rioting.
9. Bloody Sunday is when 13-14 civil rights marchers were killed by the British Army in Jan. 1972. For more on that see this and this and this.
10. The Crown refers to the Crown Prosecution Service, and they HAVE charged some members of the security forces, but that was VERY uncommon.
11. Bound for Glory is American, which is why I included something explicitly anti-fascist (see this for why that’s important (actually two things make me think it’s possible to say that BfG is anti-Irish Republican).
12. There are 32 counties in Ireland.
13. I give this poem 5 stars out of five.
**14. **67% of this version is me, 33% is the original.
15. Largely about the IRA and the broader republican movement and there's some that nationalists could agree with.
16. UPDATED 2/5/16 Based on what might be called a fairly scientific look, only about .2% of the IRA's operations intentionally resulted in civilian death.
The North in turmoil,
Hatred from those who are loyal
The British Army has been introduced
soon all hell is gonna break loose,
Rioting - rocks and petrol bombs
We’ll stop the next pogrom
No financial compensation can cover the cost
Of our lack of freedom or loved ones lost
Ref: WELCOME......to the city of Belfast
WELCOME...... we’re gonna kick your ass
WELCOME...... from the IRA
WELCOME......to a squaddie mass grave
Living in poverty -
And under the jackboot of the RUC
you can march and you can fight
There are buses you can set alight
Tory/Unionist desires
fuel nationalist fires
Bloody Sunday, our anger overflows
the whole damn country is about to blow
Ref:
Unleashed, the Belfast Brigade
With rifles, bombs, and grenades
On the streets we attack the police -
if there's no justice you'll get no peace
Opponents of fascism and hate.
Fighting for a 32-County state,
Soldiers violating our human rights
yet the Crown never indicts
Ref:
Thursday, April 21, 2011
Thursday, April 14, 2011
Star Trek: The Original Series Reviews D
This is one of my posts where I “review” Star Trek episodes. I will be giving each one a star rating. I sometimes will make some comments about non-political parts of them that I like or don’t like. I’ll sometimes use the issues raised in the episode to discuss similar issues in real life. And I will sometimes simply high-light the progressive politics of ST. ST is in-line with the three original themes of this blog, as I explain in the first ST post where I offer some general thoughts about ST.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“Tomorrow Is Yesterday” See this for a plot summary.
A very non-political episode, which is kind of a surprise. Often episodes involving time travel back to Old Earth (that is, Earth in recent decades of the past and in decades of the near future) have some liberal-left political commentary. This doesn’t have that. There is one reference to an alien planet dominated by women- but I have mixed feelings about the nature of that statement. Normally I’d think it’s a good thing, to mention that women are capable of leading a planet. But there’s something about it that’s kind of sexist in this case.
I give it three stars out of five.
“Court Martial” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“The Return of the Archons” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it one star out of five.
“Space Seed” See this for a plot summary.
This is the first ST episode or movie to mention the Eugenics Wars. Some of my thoughts on the issue of genetically engineered humans can be found here while discussing the first three-parter in that post (there is also some background in the plot summaries). In short I think that the Federation is right to ban genetic engineering of humans, with some possible exceptions.
This episode doesn’t really add much to what I had seen in other episodes or movies about the Eugenics Wars issue. There is a two or three book novel about the EW. I read the first one years ago and seem to have lost it. I somehow got either the second or third but don’t want to read it without the other 1 or 2. The thing is, in reference to one of those books, a former friend of mine said he thought it was racist. I can’t really say anything about those books. I am pretty sure he was referring to the fact that the villain was an Indian, and possibly-probably some other details; I would need more than that (Khan’s nationality) to agree.
I give it three stars out of five.
“A Taste of Armageddon” See this for a plot summary.
This episode has a very good anti-war theme. It’s about two planets that have waged war for 500 years using computers, kind of like a war game. When an attack takes place, people in the area of the attack are identified as casualties and are killed by “disintegration machines.” The idea behind this form of war-fare is that the civilizations will not be physically destroyed. But as kirk explains it: “Death, destruction, disease, horror- that’s what war is all about, Anan- that’s what makes it a thing to be avoided. You’ve made it neat and painless. So neat and painless you’ve had no reason to stop it.” Although it would be horrible if one or more civilizations were destroyed through war, it’d be better if there were no war at all (nothing is said about the war being just, it probably is like most wars, i.e. like World War I). Millions of people were being killed every year, and the war probably diverted at least some resources that could have been better used on something else. If they had experienced real war, the destruction and the injured people might have prodded the leaders to seek peace.
I give it three stars out of five.
“This Side of Paradise” See this for a plot summary.
There are a couple political things to mention about this episode.
1. The colonists are all vegetarians.
2. Towards the end, Kirk talks about “paradise” and wonders if humans are meant for “paradise” or meant to “struggle, claw our way up.” I believe something in the middle but leaning towards being meant for “paradise.” We will always have some degree of difficulty (i.e. natural disasters, etc.) but we can, probably in a couple centuries or so, create something pretty close to “paradise.” This reminds me of something that the socialist writer Michael Parenti said once. He said that socialism isn’t the utopia- it is the struggle to create the utopia (I’d say the latter stages of creating a utopia). And I’d say that even the utopia probably won’t be 100% utopian.
I give it two stars out of five.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“Tomorrow Is Yesterday” See this for a plot summary.
A very non-political episode, which is kind of a surprise. Often episodes involving time travel back to Old Earth (that is, Earth in recent decades of the past and in decades of the near future) have some liberal-left political commentary. This doesn’t have that. There is one reference to an alien planet dominated by women- but I have mixed feelings about the nature of that statement. Normally I’d think it’s a good thing, to mention that women are capable of leading a planet. But there’s something about it that’s kind of sexist in this case.
I give it three stars out of five.
“Court Martial” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“The Return of the Archons” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it one star out of five.
“Space Seed” See this for a plot summary.
This is the first ST episode or movie to mention the Eugenics Wars. Some of my thoughts on the issue of genetically engineered humans can be found here while discussing the first three-parter in that post (there is also some background in the plot summaries). In short I think that the Federation is right to ban genetic engineering of humans, with some possible exceptions.
This episode doesn’t really add much to what I had seen in other episodes or movies about the Eugenics Wars issue. There is a two or three book novel about the EW. I read the first one years ago and seem to have lost it. I somehow got either the second or third but don’t want to read it without the other 1 or 2. The thing is, in reference to one of those books, a former friend of mine said he thought it was racist. I can’t really say anything about those books. I am pretty sure he was referring to the fact that the villain was an Indian, and possibly-probably some other details; I would need more than that (Khan’s nationality) to agree.
I give it three stars out of five.
“A Taste of Armageddon” See this for a plot summary.
This episode has a very good anti-war theme. It’s about two planets that have waged war for 500 years using computers, kind of like a war game. When an attack takes place, people in the area of the attack are identified as casualties and are killed by “disintegration machines.” The idea behind this form of war-fare is that the civilizations will not be physically destroyed. But as kirk explains it: “Death, destruction, disease, horror- that’s what war is all about, Anan- that’s what makes it a thing to be avoided. You’ve made it neat and painless. So neat and painless you’ve had no reason to stop it.” Although it would be horrible if one or more civilizations were destroyed through war, it’d be better if there were no war at all (nothing is said about the war being just, it probably is like most wars, i.e. like World War I). Millions of people were being killed every year, and the war probably diverted at least some resources that could have been better used on something else. If they had experienced real war, the destruction and the injured people might have prodded the leaders to seek peace.
I give it three stars out of five.
“This Side of Paradise” See this for a plot summary.
There are a couple political things to mention about this episode.
1. The colonists are all vegetarians.
2. Towards the end, Kirk talks about “paradise” and wonders if humans are meant for “paradise” or meant to “struggle, claw our way up.” I believe something in the middle but leaning towards being meant for “paradise.” We will always have some degree of difficulty (i.e. natural disasters, etc.) but we can, probably in a couple centuries or so, create something pretty close to “paradise.” This reminds me of something that the socialist writer Michael Parenti said once. He said that socialism isn’t the utopia- it is the struggle to create the utopia (I’d say the latter stages of creating a utopia). And I’d say that even the utopia probably won’t be 100% utopian.
I give it two stars out of five.
Tuesday, April 5, 2011
RIP Manning Marable
Manning Marable, one of the top scholars in African-American Studies, passed away April 1st.
Dr. Marable was one of the major influences on me as I developed my understanding of socialism. I can't say I read all his books, but I read three of them (Race, Reform and Rebellion (1991); Black Leadership (1998); one more, published sometime in the early 1990s?? I can't remember the name) and a lengthy pamphlet. I think I started at the University of Colorado at Boulder months or at most a year after he stopped teaching there, which was a bummer.
At one point, I had a sort of stupid idea, of putting together a collection of political essays, and I wrote to Dr. Marable asking him to contribute. Unsurprisingly, he declined (I didn't have any kind of reputation or a B.A., I just came out of nowhere) but he read one of the essays I had sent him and wrote me back saying he liked it. (it was very cool of him to write me back). The paper he commented on had a fair amount of stuff about Ireland in it, and I would be very surprised if he hadn't been mildly interested in the North and supportive of republicanism.
Anyway, politically he had a major affect on me.
There are, of course, many lyrics I could alter into a poem about Dr. Marable. For some weird reason i can't figure out, I'm not sure I'll do that.
UPDATE 6/29/11 Although I have not written a poem about him, I briefly refer to him in the second poem here.
Tom Shelley
There is some good information about him here and here.
Saturday, April 2, 2011
Star Trek: The Original Series Reviews C
This is one of my posts where I “review” Star Trek episodes. I will be giving each one a star rating. I sometimes will make some comments about non-political parts of them that I like or don’t like. I’ll sometimes use the issues raised in the episode to discuss similar issues in real life. And I will sometimes simply high-light the progressive politics of ST. ST is in-line with the three original themes of this blog, as I explain in the first ST post where I offer some general thoughts about ST.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“The Conscience of the King” See this for a plot summary
A fairly political episode, but there’s little for me to quote or build upon. Kodos was, of course, comparable to a war criminal. I wonder if he might be compared in some ways with Pol Pot.
I give it two stars out of five.
“Balance of Terror” See this for a plot summary.
There is some political stuff here, basically two categories. First, when the crew of the Enterprise learn that their Romulan enemies look very similar to Vulcans, at least one of them becomes very bigoted towards Spock. Kirk makes it clear that that sort of thing has no place on the bridge.
The commander of the Romulan ship is not as positive about war as the Romulan state and many of the men under his command are.
I give this episode three stars out of five.
“Shore Leave” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“The Galileo Seven” See this for a plot summary.
A very non-political episode, but there are a couple things to comment on:
1) One of the shuttles is called “Columbus.” It’s at odds with the overwhelmingly liberal-left politics of ST.
2) Although this existed a bit in some other episodes, this one contains much dialogue where Spock’s subordinates speak dis-respectfully to him. This is usually in the form of negative comments about his dominant Vulcan half. This kind of bigotry seems to be tolerated by Spock and the other main characters.
I give this episode two stars out of five.
“The Squire of Gothos” See this for a plot summary.
A very non-political episode, with one exception. Briefly Kirk asserts that StarFleet is on a peaceful mission and that they only fight when needed. This is at least almost totally true.
I give this episode two stars out of five.
“Arena” See this for a plot summary.
The story, or at least the last five minutes of it, is fairly political. Basically it’s about the same topic I mentioned in the “Squire” above. This time around Kirk is looking for a battle in space; and on the ground he comes very close to killing an alien when it wasn’t necessary. When Kirk starts acting like a StarFleet officer again, the representative of an advanced alien race is impressed and talks about a future friendship with humanity.
I give this episode 2 stars out of five.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“The Conscience of the King” See this for a plot summary
A fairly political episode, but there’s little for me to quote or build upon. Kodos was, of course, comparable to a war criminal. I wonder if he might be compared in some ways with Pol Pot.
I give it two stars out of five.
“Balance of Terror” See this for a plot summary.
There is some political stuff here, basically two categories. First, when the crew of the Enterprise learn that their Romulan enemies look very similar to Vulcans, at least one of them becomes very bigoted towards Spock. Kirk makes it clear that that sort of thing has no place on the bridge.
The commander of the Romulan ship is not as positive about war as the Romulan state and many of the men under his command are.
I give this episode three stars out of five.
“Shore Leave” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“The Galileo Seven” See this for a plot summary.
A very non-political episode, but there are a couple things to comment on:
1) One of the shuttles is called “Columbus.” It’s at odds with the overwhelmingly liberal-left politics of ST.
2) Although this existed a bit in some other episodes, this one contains much dialogue where Spock’s subordinates speak dis-respectfully to him. This is usually in the form of negative comments about his dominant Vulcan half. This kind of bigotry seems to be tolerated by Spock and the other main characters.
I give this episode two stars out of five.
“The Squire of Gothos” See this for a plot summary.
A very non-political episode, with one exception. Briefly Kirk asserts that StarFleet is on a peaceful mission and that they only fight when needed. This is at least almost totally true.
I give this episode two stars out of five.
“Arena” See this for a plot summary.
The story, or at least the last five minutes of it, is fairly political. Basically it’s about the same topic I mentioned in the “Squire” above. This time around Kirk is looking for a battle in space; and on the ground he comes very close to killing an alien when it wasn’t necessary. When Kirk starts acting like a StarFleet officer again, the representative of an advanced alien race is impressed and talks about a future friendship with humanity.
I give this episode 2 stars out of five.
Tuesday, March 29, 2011
Star Trek: The Original Series Reviews B
This is one of my posts where I “review” Star Trek episodes. I will be giving each one a star rating. I sometimes will make some comments about non-political parts of them that I like or don’t like. I’ll sometimes use the issues raised in the episode to discuss similar issues in real life. And I will sometimes simply high-light the progressive politics of ST. ST is in-line with the three original themes of this blog, as I explain in the first ST post where I offer some general thoughts about ST.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“What Are Little Girls Made Of?” See this for a plot summary.
There is one bit of politics. The android Kirk calls Spock a “half-breed” in reference to the fact that Spock’s father is Vulcan and his mother is human. Spock says it was unsophisticated. I don’t like that definition, because it implies that “sophisticated” (i.e. fashionable) people don’t use such offensive terms, only completely backwards people use them (obviously "Kirk's" statement is backwards, but I'm sure there are people who are in some ways sophisticated but nonetheless use such language).
“Miri” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“Dagger of the Mind” See this for a plot summary.
There are some political aspects to this.
First, Spock comments on humanity, war, and crime: “Interesting- you Earth people glorify organized violence for forty centuries, but you imprison those who employ it privately.” I don’t know exactly what he meant, but it is often inconsistent for people to offer unwavering support to the State while it wages an unjust war, and on the other hand, support imprisoning people for often minor acts of violence. The problem isn’t so much the latter (I think it usually makes sense to put violent criminals in jail), as it is the former (sometimes-often it is justified and helpful to criticize one’s nation’s military).
At one point Kirk refers to prison inmates as having “sick minds.” Depending on which crimes are involved, I would be okay with this or offended by it. If they’re saying that people who steal have sick minds, that’s probably nonsense most/all of the time. On the other hand, it could be that since poverty, oppression etc. have been eliminated, the only people in prisons are some of the people with mental health issues; who need and receive treatment in prison.
Then there is the general theme of the episode, a horrible form of “treating” prisoners.
I give it one star out of five.
“The Corbomite Maneuver” See this for a plot summary.
There’s only one political aspect in this episode, and it’s not an example of progressive politics in ST. Kirk complains that he was assigned a female yeoman. In general, although it made some progress in this area, The Original Series is fairly-very sexist.
I give this episode three stars out of five.
“The Menagerie” parts 1 and 2 See this and this for a plot summary.
There were three political aspects to this episode:
1) We learned that only one very specific crime carries the death penalty, which is close enough to ending it that a good statement is made about it.
2) There is some talk about slavery.
3) This episode largely contains footage from the original pilot of ST about the Enterprise 13 years earlier, when Captain Pike was in charge of Enterprise. His Executive Officer is a woman. Sometimes it seemed like she was too... passive (or something like that) as a leader, but overall she was a good officer and that makes an important statement about equality for women.
I give this episode two stars out of five.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“What Are Little Girls Made Of?” See this for a plot summary.
There is one bit of politics. The android Kirk calls Spock a “half-breed” in reference to the fact that Spock’s father is Vulcan and his mother is human. Spock says it was unsophisticated. I don’t like that definition, because it implies that “sophisticated” (i.e. fashionable) people don’t use such offensive terms, only completely backwards people use them (obviously "Kirk's" statement is backwards, but I'm sure there are people who are in some ways sophisticated but nonetheless use such language).
“Miri” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“Dagger of the Mind” See this for a plot summary.
There are some political aspects to this.
First, Spock comments on humanity, war, and crime: “Interesting- you Earth people glorify organized violence for forty centuries, but you imprison those who employ it privately.” I don’t know exactly what he meant, but it is often inconsistent for people to offer unwavering support to the State while it wages an unjust war, and on the other hand, support imprisoning people for often minor acts of violence. The problem isn’t so much the latter (I think it usually makes sense to put violent criminals in jail), as it is the former (sometimes-often it is justified and helpful to criticize one’s nation’s military).
At one point Kirk refers to prison inmates as having “sick minds.” Depending on which crimes are involved, I would be okay with this or offended by it. If they’re saying that people who steal have sick minds, that’s probably nonsense most/all of the time. On the other hand, it could be that since poverty, oppression etc. have been eliminated, the only people in prisons are some of the people with mental health issues; who need and receive treatment in prison.
Then there is the general theme of the episode, a horrible form of “treating” prisoners.
I give it one star out of five.
“The Corbomite Maneuver” See this for a plot summary.
There’s only one political aspect in this episode, and it’s not an example of progressive politics in ST. Kirk complains that he was assigned a female yeoman. In general, although it made some progress in this area, The Original Series is fairly-very sexist.
I give this episode three stars out of five.
“The Menagerie” parts 1 and 2 See this and this for a plot summary.
There were three political aspects to this episode:
1) We learned that only one very specific crime carries the death penalty, which is close enough to ending it that a good statement is made about it.
2) There is some talk about slavery.
3) This episode largely contains footage from the original pilot of ST about the Enterprise 13 years earlier, when Captain Pike was in charge of Enterprise. His Executive Officer is a woman. Sometimes it seemed like she was too... passive (or something like that) as a leader, but overall she was a good officer and that makes an important statement about equality for women.
I give this episode two stars out of five.
Monday, March 28, 2011
Peter King, Muslims, Torture, and N. Ireland
(UPDATE 5/22/14 I finally did a post going into why I believe it's inacurate to describe the IRA as "terrorists" and it's here)
Peter King, a GOP US Representative from New York, has been a big supporter of Irish Republicanism and specifically Sinn Fein and NORAID, an American group suspected in the past of supporting the IRA, although it might be a lot more accurate to say that they supported and today support SF. He is very conservative and has expressed support for the use (in the War on Terror, in Iraq, and Afghanistan) of interrogation techniques that are torture (for example, see this and this). He has also spear-headed congressional hearings on the alleged radicalization of American Muslims (see this, this and this)
In the 2nd link from the bottom of the above paragraph, is a post on the blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center. In the discussion (which was deleted when they started using a different system for comments) I spent a lot of time explaining that the IRA was/is not a terrorist organization- people thought King was a bigoted hypocrite because he supported the IRA’s campaign but is hostile to groups like Al-Qaeda which a lot of people think are comparable to the IRA. Although this doesn’t have anything to do with the question of terrorism, in another way it’s relevant to point out that there are many things indicating that the IRA over the last 30 years or so has been more or less left-wing (it's probably safe to assume that, for example, if a majority of SF members are anti-homophobic, a similar majority of IRA members are anti-homophobic) (for some examples of that see most of the first half of this).
As I explain here, only about .2% of the IRA's operations intentionally resulted in civilian death, and only about .1% unintentionally resulted in civilian death. I think it's likely that no more than .1% of their operations were unsuccessfully aimed at killing civilians.
When the IRA were bombing commercial property, they always (or at least almost always something like 99% of the time) planned on issuing a warning. Something like 99% of the time the warning was issued, the target was evacuated and no one was killed. The goal of such operations was at least partly to inflict financial damage on the business community who, it was hoped, would then pressure the British government to withdraw from Ireland. They were probably also often aimed at demonstrating that the IRA was not beaten when the British would often claim that they were. Bombings of non-military government property were aimed at disrupting government operations, and putting pressure directly on the government (warnings were always or almost always issued and civilians were evacuated). The issuing of warnings in these two categories, and the tiny % of the time that they intentionally killed civilians and the fact that somewhere around 2/3 of their operations were aimed at the security forces, all indicate that some very large % of IRA members and leaders were not into terrorizing civilians.
I can understand people wanting to expose King as the bigoted hypocrite he is, but doing so by calling the IRA terrorists is just not accurate or helpful. What would be a great approach would be to focus on the issue of torture- torture used by the US or it’s allies in recent years, and the torture used by the British in the early 1970s in N. Ireland. King LOVES water-boarding and in general approves of the torture techniques used by the US. I know that some methods have been used in both situations. I’m not as familiar with the details as I could be and I’m not capable right now of engaging in an off-line discussions with journalists, or debate with supporters of King. But I figure some of you, or someone that one of you knows will want to have the information ready to attack King over his bigoted hypocrisy. The thing is, you can find a lot of info about the Irish part of this in a book that is (mostly) available on-line here. Although the author was very partisan as a republican, his book seems to be well respected as the web-site it’s on is very neutral and academic, and about 1/3 of the information the site offers on the subject of internment in the early 1970s was written by him.
UPDATE 5/31/11 I'm still not feeling like reading the book linked to right above to refresh my memory and learn some new details. But while reading another very good source, I found a brief description of the "sensory deprivation" techniques used on eleven of the internees during seven days. According to Michael Farrell's "Northern Ireland: The Orange State" (page 283) they were hooded the entire time; they were completely isolated, and didn't know where they were; they were severely beaten; they were forced to stand spread-eagled against walls until they collapsed; they were given hardly any food; they were subjected to "white noise;" they were prevented from sleeping. The book also refers to another torture technique used on the internees in general (apparently not the 11 I just referred to). That was taking hooded internees up in helicopters, and then, when the helicopter comes back down to something like 3-5 feet above the ground, the internee is pushed out, thinking that he's much higher up than he is. Sounds like water-boarding.
If King’s bigoted hypocrisy is highlighted and becomes an issue in America, that will make it very likely that Sinn Fein will tell him to go away. If they do that publicly, it will, to some small degree, probably affect how much support he has. Also, it will probably result in Sinn Fein changing their approach to generating support in America (in a way that both SF and the American left will benefit from).
In any case, I hope this was worth your time to read- I really think that King can be hammered on this. And maybe you or someone you know will be able to use the information about torture in N. Ireland.
Tom
UPDATE 10/8/12 Apparently there was some use of waterboarding by the security forces in N. Ireland. See this and this.
UPDATE 4/22/18 In the 1990 dramatic movie "Hidden Agenda," there is an allegation of what we now call water-boarding. I'm not sure where the writer(s) got that from, but I am also pretty sure that condemning water boarding wasn't back then the popular cause that it has been in the last 15 or so years (in the movie, they don't use the phrase "water boarding") and I wouldn't be surprised if the writer(s) included it not because they wanted to take a swipe at George W. Bush etc. but because they did some research about what torture techniques the British used in N. Ireland and found some references to that one.
Peter King, a GOP US Representative from New York, has been a big supporter of Irish Republicanism and specifically Sinn Fein and NORAID, an American group suspected in the past of supporting the IRA, although it might be a lot more accurate to say that they supported and today support SF. He is very conservative and has expressed support for the use (in the War on Terror, in Iraq, and Afghanistan) of interrogation techniques that are torture (for example, see this and this). He has also spear-headed congressional hearings on the alleged radicalization of American Muslims (see this, this and this)
In the 2nd link from the bottom of the above paragraph, is a post on the blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center. In the discussion (which was deleted when they started using a different system for comments) I spent a lot of time explaining that the IRA was/is not a terrorist organization- people thought King was a bigoted hypocrite because he supported the IRA’s campaign but is hostile to groups like Al-Qaeda which a lot of people think are comparable to the IRA. Although this doesn’t have anything to do with the question of terrorism, in another way it’s relevant to point out that there are many things indicating that the IRA over the last 30 years or so has been more or less left-wing (it's probably safe to assume that, for example, if a majority of SF members are anti-homophobic, a similar majority of IRA members are anti-homophobic) (for some examples of that see most of the first half of this).
As I explain here, only about .2% of the IRA's operations intentionally resulted in civilian death, and only about .1% unintentionally resulted in civilian death. I think it's likely that no more than .1% of their operations were unsuccessfully aimed at killing civilians.
When the IRA were bombing commercial property, they always (or at least almost always something like 99% of the time) planned on issuing a warning. Something like 99% of the time the warning was issued, the target was evacuated and no one was killed. The goal of such operations was at least partly to inflict financial damage on the business community who, it was hoped, would then pressure the British government to withdraw from Ireland. They were probably also often aimed at demonstrating that the IRA was not beaten when the British would often claim that they were. Bombings of non-military government property were aimed at disrupting government operations, and putting pressure directly on the government (warnings were always or almost always issued and civilians were evacuated). The issuing of warnings in these two categories, and the tiny % of the time that they intentionally killed civilians and the fact that somewhere around 2/3 of their operations were aimed at the security forces, all indicate that some very large % of IRA members and leaders were not into terrorizing civilians.
I can understand people wanting to expose King as the bigoted hypocrite he is, but doing so by calling the IRA terrorists is just not accurate or helpful. What would be a great approach would be to focus on the issue of torture- torture used by the US or it’s allies in recent years, and the torture used by the British in the early 1970s in N. Ireland. King LOVES water-boarding and in general approves of the torture techniques used by the US. I know that some methods have been used in both situations. I’m not as familiar with the details as I could be and I’m not capable right now of engaging in an off-line discussions with journalists, or debate with supporters of King. But I figure some of you, or someone that one of you knows will want to have the information ready to attack King over his bigoted hypocrisy. The thing is, you can find a lot of info about the Irish part of this in a book that is (mostly) available on-line here. Although the author was very partisan as a republican, his book seems to be well respected as the web-site it’s on is very neutral and academic, and about 1/3 of the information the site offers on the subject of internment in the early 1970s was written by him.
UPDATE 5/31/11 I'm still not feeling like reading the book linked to right above to refresh my memory and learn some new details. But while reading another very good source, I found a brief description of the "sensory deprivation" techniques used on eleven of the internees during seven days. According to Michael Farrell's "Northern Ireland: The Orange State" (page 283) they were hooded the entire time; they were completely isolated, and didn't know where they were; they were severely beaten; they were forced to stand spread-eagled against walls until they collapsed; they were given hardly any food; they were subjected to "white noise;" they were prevented from sleeping. The book also refers to another torture technique used on the internees in general (apparently not the 11 I just referred to). That was taking hooded internees up in helicopters, and then, when the helicopter comes back down to something like 3-5 feet above the ground, the internee is pushed out, thinking that he's much higher up than he is. Sounds like water-boarding.
If King’s bigoted hypocrisy is highlighted and becomes an issue in America, that will make it very likely that Sinn Fein will tell him to go away. If they do that publicly, it will, to some small degree, probably affect how much support he has. Also, it will probably result in Sinn Fein changing their approach to generating support in America (in a way that both SF and the American left will benefit from).
In any case, I hope this was worth your time to read- I really think that King can be hammered on this. And maybe you or someone you know will be able to use the information about torture in N. Ireland.
Tom
UPDATE 10/8/12 Apparently there was some use of waterboarding by the security forces in N. Ireland. See this and this.
UPDATE 4/22/18 In the 1990 dramatic movie "Hidden Agenda," there is an allegation of what we now call water-boarding. I'm not sure where the writer(s) got that from, but I am also pretty sure that condemning water boarding wasn't back then the popular cause that it has been in the last 15 or so years (in the movie, they don't use the phrase "water boarding") and I wouldn't be surprised if the writer(s) included it not because they wanted to take a swipe at George W. Bush etc. but because they did some research about what torture techniques the British used in N. Ireland and found some references to that one.
Saturday, March 26, 2011
Star Trek: The Original Series Reviews A
This is one of my posts where I “review” Star Trek episodes. I will be giving each one a star rating. I sometimes will make some comments about non-political parts of them that I like or don’t like. I’ll sometimes use the issues raised in the episode to discuss similar issues in real life. And I will sometimes simply high-light the progressive politics of ST. ST is in-line with the three original themes of this blog, as I explain in the first ST post where I offer some general thoughts about ST.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“The Man Trap” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“Charlie X” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it one star out of five.
“Where No Man Has Gone Before” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it one star out of five.
“The Naked Time” See this for a plot summary.
There is one thing that probably needs to be mentioned- I believe this is the first episode where we hear about Spock’s mom being human (in one earlier episode it was mentioned that some of his ancestors were human, but I can’t remember which episode). This takes ST’s multi-cultrualism a bit further than normal.
I give it two stars out of five.
“The Enemy Within” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars.
“Mudd’s Women” See this for a plot summary.
I found this to be a fairly sexist episode (although the series in general, as far as I can tell, makes some progress on this, it is still fairly-very sexist).
UPDATE 11/17/11
I wrote the following in the most recent review:
"UPDATE 11/9/11 I think that with this post and maybe a couple others where I accused ST *TOS* of being sexist I went a little too far. I mean, there ARE two statements by kirk that are sexist, and I think the whole women crewmembers wearing skirts (or dresses?) thing is sexist. But when it comes to Kirk and in this case also Scotty, referring to adult female crewmembers as "girl" or "lass" I have to wonder, how often has kirk called adult male crewmembers "boy?" I think probably rarely or never, but I'm not going to re-watch the series anytime soon, so I don't know. It is possible I'm being too harsh with the characters and writers over the use of "lass" and "girl." And I could be wrong about the skirts."
I cannot remember much from this episode ("Mudd's Women") but wouldn't be surprised if I have mis-judged it and it's writers too. Especially if the only sexism came from Mudd, who is close to a villian in this episode.
I give it one star out of five.
I have been more or less ignoring this- the need for me to become familiar with The Original Series. In general I don’t like much of what I’ve seen. In any case, I am now watching it and will be doing reviews of those episodes. I will be giving pretty low scores, probably no higher than three stars out of five- I just don’t like TOS.
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“The Man Trap” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“Charlie X” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it one star out of five.
“Where No Man Has Gone Before” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it one star out of five.
“The Naked Time” See this for a plot summary.
There is one thing that probably needs to be mentioned- I believe this is the first episode where we hear about Spock’s mom being human (in one earlier episode it was mentioned that some of his ancestors were human, but I can’t remember which episode). This takes ST’s multi-cultrualism a bit further than normal.
I give it two stars out of five.
“The Enemy Within” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars.
“Mudd’s Women” See this for a plot summary.
I found this to be a fairly sexist episode (although the series in general, as far as I can tell, makes some progress on this, it is still fairly-very sexist).
UPDATE 11/17/11
I wrote the following in the most recent review:
"UPDATE 11/9/11 I think that with this post and maybe a couple others where I accused ST *TOS* of being sexist I went a little too far. I mean, there ARE two statements by kirk that are sexist, and I think the whole women crewmembers wearing skirts (or dresses?) thing is sexist. But when it comes to Kirk and in this case also Scotty, referring to adult female crewmembers as "girl" or "lass" I have to wonder, how often has kirk called adult male crewmembers "boy?" I think probably rarely or never, but I'm not going to re-watch the series anytime soon, so I don't know. It is possible I'm being too harsh with the characters and writers over the use of "lass" and "girl." And I could be wrong about the skirts."
I cannot remember much from this episode ("Mudd's Women") but wouldn't be surprised if I have mis-judged it and it's writers too. Especially if the only sexism came from Mudd, who is close to a villian in this episode.
I give it one star out of five.
Thursday, March 24, 2011
Star Trek: Enterprise Reviews T
This is one of my posts where I “review” Star Trek episodes. I will be giving each one a star rating. I sometimes will make some comments about non-political parts of them that I like or don’t like. I’ll sometimes use the issues raised in the episode to discuss similar issues in real life. And I will sometimes simply high-light the progressive politics of ST. ST is in-line with the three original themes of this blog, as I explain in the first ST post where I offer some general thoughts about ST.
I’m not very familiar with The Original Series and there might be some small amount of material there that would affect what I say about Star Trek (i.e. how often religion is mentioned)
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“Bound” See this for a plot summary.
This episode brings up the issue of slavery. The Orion Syndicate traffics in slavery, although this episode makes it unclear whether or not the Orion female slaves are really slaves.
Although I kind of spaced on this the last time I discussed the slavery of the Orions, it reminds me of the trafficking in slaves, often of a sexual nature, today. I’m not familiar with that, but hopefully some progress can be made at stopping that.
One thing that was disappointing was Archer’s interest in dialogue with the Orion Syndicate. Criminals such as they should be stopped, not reconciled with.
“In A Mirror, Darkly” parts 1 and 2 See this and this for a plot summary.
In some ways it’s very political and I could write for hours about this two-parter, but I’m gonna keep this brief. It’s about an imperialistic, amoral, bigoted and more or less fascist StarFleet in a different dimension. When Archer learns of his counter-part who was important to the founding of the Federation, he says: “Great men are not peace-makers- great men are conquerors!”
Earth’s empire includes many alien species who are considered inferior to humans. Discipline within StarFleet is quite harsh and physical.
I give this two-parter four stars out of five.
“Demons” and “Terra Prime” See this and this for a plot summary.
Once again, a two-parter that I could spend hours typing about the politics involved. But I’m going to keep this fairly short. It’s largely about xenophobia and extreme hostility to people who are half-human and half-alien (obviously in real life it would be people of two or more different races).
There are three things that I want to comment on:
1) A friend of Travis apparently told him that exploration of space is a form of colonialism. In Star Trek, at least the vast majority of the time, only planets with no indigenous intelligent population are colonized by the Federation. It’s not colonialism.
2) The leader of the xenophobic organization benefits from alien medical science. When he is confronted about his hypocrisy, he says that he’s not the first leader to fall short of his own ideals. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some situations where that’s not a big problem, but in general it is hypocrisy of the sort that should be held against the leader involved.
3) I generally like the idea of mergers between different nations and states, and I like how this episode is about an effort to establish some kind of inter-planetary alliance which will later turn into the Federation.
I give this episode four stars out of five.
“These Are The Voyages...” See this for a plot summary.
Aside from something about movement towards creating the Federation, which I referred to in the review immediately above for the episodes “Demons” and”Terra Prime” there is more or less nothing political in this episode. The part about Riker studying Tripp’s dis-obeying Archer’s order is a very creative way to end the series. It would have been better if Tripp had done something else- for example, in some battle where Archer is wounded and he tells Tripp to leave him and Tripp stays, and gets killed. Something like that I think would have been better.
I give it four stars out of five.
I’m not very familiar with The Original Series and there might be some small amount of material there that would affect what I say about Star Trek (i.e. how often religion is mentioned)
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“Bound” See this for a plot summary.
This episode brings up the issue of slavery. The Orion Syndicate traffics in slavery, although this episode makes it unclear whether or not the Orion female slaves are really slaves.
Although I kind of spaced on this the last time I discussed the slavery of the Orions, it reminds me of the trafficking in slaves, often of a sexual nature, today. I’m not familiar with that, but hopefully some progress can be made at stopping that.
One thing that was disappointing was Archer’s interest in dialogue with the Orion Syndicate. Criminals such as they should be stopped, not reconciled with.
“In A Mirror, Darkly” parts 1 and 2 See this and this for a plot summary.
In some ways it’s very political and I could write for hours about this two-parter, but I’m gonna keep this brief. It’s about an imperialistic, amoral, bigoted and more or less fascist StarFleet in a different dimension. When Archer learns of his counter-part who was important to the founding of the Federation, he says: “Great men are not peace-makers- great men are conquerors!”
Earth’s empire includes many alien species who are considered inferior to humans. Discipline within StarFleet is quite harsh and physical.
I give this two-parter four stars out of five.
“Demons” and “Terra Prime” See this and this for a plot summary.
Once again, a two-parter that I could spend hours typing about the politics involved. But I’m going to keep this fairly short. It’s largely about xenophobia and extreme hostility to people who are half-human and half-alien (obviously in real life it would be people of two or more different races).
There are three things that I want to comment on:
1) A friend of Travis apparently told him that exploration of space is a form of colonialism. In Star Trek, at least the vast majority of the time, only planets with no indigenous intelligent population are colonized by the Federation. It’s not colonialism.
2) The leader of the xenophobic organization benefits from alien medical science. When he is confronted about his hypocrisy, he says that he’s not the first leader to fall short of his own ideals. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some situations where that’s not a big problem, but in general it is hypocrisy of the sort that should be held against the leader involved.
3) I generally like the idea of mergers between different nations and states, and I like how this episode is about an effort to establish some kind of inter-planetary alliance which will later turn into the Federation.
I give this episode four stars out of five.
“These Are The Voyages...” See this for a plot summary.
Aside from something about movement towards creating the Federation, which I referred to in the review immediately above for the episodes “Demons” and”Terra Prime” there is more or less nothing political in this episode. The part about Riker studying Tripp’s dis-obeying Archer’s order is a very creative way to end the series. It would have been better if Tripp had done something else- for example, in some battle where Archer is wounded and he tells Tripp to leave him and Tripp stays, and gets killed. Something like that I think would have been better.
I give it four stars out of five.
Sunday, March 6, 2011
Star Trek: Enterprise Reviews S
This is one of my posts where I “review” Star Trek episodes. I will be giving each one a star rating. I sometimes will make some comments about non-political parts of them that I like or don’t like. I’ll sometimes use the issues raised in the episode to discuss similar issues in real life. And I will sometimes simply high-light the progressive politics of ST. ST is in-line with the three original themes of this blog, as I explain in the first ST post where I offer some general thoughts about ST.
I’m not very familiar with The Original Series and there might be some small amount of material there that would affect what I say about Star Trek (i.e. how often religion is mentioned)
Lastly. multi-culturalism is such a pervasive theme in ST that I only comment on it when it goes beyond the norm (i.e. inter-species partners).
“Daedalus” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it two stars out of five.
“Observer Effect” See this for a plot summary.
A non-political episode. I give it three stars out of five.
“Babel One,” “United,” “The Aenar” See the links for a plot summary.
There are a small number of political aspects to this episode:
1) Shran again expresses a willingness to torture people, which is fairly disturbing because he is generally seen as an ally of Archer’s.
2) One thing I like is the unity created between the different alien races, which will lead eventually to the formation of the Federation. I generally support such moves (i.e. (after making some changes) increasing (in small steps over a number of decades) the power of the United Nations).
3) So far I don’t have a complete picture of the Romulan political system and how democratic or undemocratic it is. In this episode we learn that dissident members of the Senate can be expelled.
I give this three-parter two stars out of five.
“Affliction” and “Divergence” See this and this for a plot summary
There are two sort of political things in this episode.
First, we hear (probably not for the first time) that Klingon society is a caste-based society.
Secondly, there is the appearance of Section 31. I discuss Section 31 here while discussing the episode "Inquisition."
For the most part a non-political episode. I like how it explains the appearance of Klingons in The Original Series. I give it two stars out of five.
Wednesday, March 2, 2011
Irish-Americans, N. Ireland, and YDS
I’m going to do one post here that’s a new sort of post for me, there might be some more on the same theme in the next weeks and/or months. To a small degree it’ll involve me getting a little personal (something I have overwhelmingly avoided while doing this blog), but will be mostly political and in-line with the themes of this blog. And for now I will provide only the most relevant information, I will give basically zero background and won’t mention other things related to the topic. I am doing this because I believe there are a lot of people out there who really don’t like me, mostly because of a failure on my part to explain things.
In June of 2001, I was a very active member of the Young Democratic Socialists, youth wing of the Democratic Socialists of America. I had been a member of DSA since 1994-1995 and was often active. During those first seven years I was involved to some degree with about 25 events. Not counting about five events (i.e. events in Denver, or in the dorms) there was an average of 65 people at each event I organized. (I resigned my membership in DSA in May of 2002) I think that is basically all the background you need.
In June 2001, Sinn Fein overtook the Social Democratic and Labour Party as the largest party of the nationalist community. This was in two elections on the same day- local elections using Single Transferable Vote and Proportional Representation and British parliamentary elections that are First Past the Post. I sent something about the results to the YDS-Discussion list. Someone responded and asked if YDS had a position on N. Ireland.
I’m going to skip some details at this point. I said I would type something up (I was a member of the leadership at that point). After a month, with a fair amount of discussion and a fairly (possibly very) good job done by me, I withdrew it. There were too many problems with it.
The main point of me typing this up is to explain one of the arguments I offered in support of YDS taking a position on N. Ireland (of course that position would have to be more or less (possibly very less) in support of Irish Republicanism for this to work). I felt like the good that could be done with such a resolution (encouraging people to work on that issue to one degree or another (from one person signing a petition that’s going around to a YDS chapter doing an event on this issue)) was obvious, so I unfortunately didn’t say much if anything at all about that (I said a lot about the background to the conflict, but not, “this will help...”). One of the reasons that I DID offer was that it would help us attract a certain part of the population- Irish-Americans (depending on what the resolution said, we’d probably be talking about people who are more or less Sinn Fein supporters). Without further explanation by me, this must have sounded questionable, and that’s probably what a lot of YDSers thought; or thought it was even worse than questionable. Here are some things I should have mentioned:
*I was thinking overwhelmingly about I-As who are already liberal (liberals who are in transition towards the left), progressive or left-wing. (UPDATE 11/8/20 My thoughts about the word "liberal" are here; my brief definition of a liberal is someone to the left of the Clintons and to the right of Sen. Elizabeth Warren)
*There’s a good minority of those Americans who work on this from the right perspective who are not Irish-American, and about 1/2 of such people are people of color. I was also thinking it would attract some of them. For more of my thoughts on that, see this, this, and this one is also relevant.
*Going back to attracting people interested in N. Ireland, which would at least often if not mostly mean Irish-Americans, I should explain that even with the latter group, I don’t see the harm, although I can sort of understand people thinking I’m an idiot or an ass-hole. But YDS and DSA wanted to attract more members (**which would include attracting people to an anti-racist agenda**) and I saw that as the icing on the cake of making an important statement on an important issue.
*On a related note, the issue of N. Ireland can be used to drag Irish-Americans towards the Left (talk with them about how N. Ireland is not the only place with bigotry, national oppression, etc.). That would be most successful if it involved a left-wing group that appreciated the importance of the N. Ireland issue ( I explain why it’s important for American political activists in this post (starting about 1/3 down with the paragraph starting "Was S. Africa much worse?").
I think that should clarify what I meant.
Tom
UPDATE 2/6/13 About a month after my proposed statement was discussed among YDSers online, I spoke briefly with two senior members of DSA about this. I didn't say much, certainly not everything i've typed above, but I said something that made my idea sound better than when I first mentioned it in that online YDS discussion. One of these senior members agreed with me, and maybe the other one too, at least to a small degree.
UPDATE 11/6/20 A related and much higher-quality post about my interest in Irish-American activism is here.
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